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PostSubject: Fusion substitute monsters and 1 specific question.   Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:54 am

I want someone to please confirm this page's content:

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Fusion_Substitute_Monster

If the information on that page is true, then many Tip pages in the wikia are untrue.

Now, heading to the Hex-Sealed Fusions:
Quote :
You can substitute this card for any 1 Fusion Material Monster. The other Fusion Material Monster(s) must be the correct one(s). By Tributing Fusion Material Monsters on the field, including this card, Special Summon 1 LIGHT/DARK/EARTH Fusion Monster from your Fusion Deck.

Can their 1st and 2nd affect be used simultaneously? The rullings and tips on this are confusing.
Meaning, for example,

  • can you special summon B. Skull Dragon using only Summoned Skull and Dark Hex? (or Red-Eyes and Dark Hex ofc).
  • In a similar manner, can you special summon Gaia Drake using the Earth Hex and a random non-effect synchro monster?

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PostSubject: Re: Fusion substitute monsters and 1 specific question.   Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:59 pm

This is my opinion and my opinion only:

1) Yes, their effects can be used simultaneously. You can use the replacement effect and the fusion without polymerization at the same time. B.Skull Dragon can be summoned this way.

2)Yes again. Gaia Drake can be summoned the way you suggested.

3)Their 2 effects can of course be used separately (e.g. 1 E-Hero + Earth Hex for E-Hero Gaia without polymerization)

4)Yes most tip pages of wikia are incorrect (e.g. in the Cyber Dragon decks the Light-Hex is constantly proposed for the Fusion of Cyber Twin and End which is incorrect as you see.)

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PostSubject: Re: Fusion substitute monsters and 1 specific question.   Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:36 pm

I don't think it works for cards that say, "This card cannot be special summoned except by fusion summon" because the hex don't specifically say the monster is summoned by fusion summon.
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PostSubject: Re: Fusion substitute monsters and 1 specific question.   Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:38 pm

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3)Their 2 effects can of course be used separately (e.g. 1 E-Hero + Earth Hex for E-Hero Gaia without polymerization)

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Elemental Hero Gaia
1 "Elemental Hero" monster + 1 EARTH Monster
This monster cannot be Special Summoned except by Fusion Summon. When this card is Fusion Summoned, select 1 face-up monster your opponent controls. Until the end of this turn, that monster's ATK is halved and this card gains the same amount of ATK.
Tributee + Earth Hex doesn't make a fusion summon, so you can't summon E-Hero Gaia. it just special summon a fusion monster from extra deck.

Cyber Twin/End Dragon can be special summoned by tributing a/2 Cyber Dragon and Light Hex.

far more note:
substitute monster doesn't have effect in the deck and rfg(i forget that hero fusion spellcard use material from rfg)
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PostSubject: Re: Fusion substitute monsters and 1 specific question.   Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:53 pm

Thank you for your help this far!

e^ipi+1=0 wrote:
Cyber Twin/End Dragon can be special summoned by tributing a/2 Cyber Dragon and Light Hex.
Are you sure? I can't find a rulling anywhere that states this, apart from the tips in the wikia!
Edit: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Fiend_Skull_Dragon
pwned :P So you can't substitute monsters in those cards. Still, can you tribute Light Hex and 3 Cydras to get a Cyber End for example?

Also, unlike Stardust from Starlight Road, does Gaia Drake gets his effect?

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PostSubject: Re: Fusion substitute monsters and 1 specific question.   Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:06 pm

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pwned So you can't substitute monsters in those cards. Still, can you tribute Light Hex and 3 Cydras to get a Cyber End for example?
yeah, I can't find official ruling about hex-sealed, but if metamorphosis satisfy you why did you look over fiend skull dragon if
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Cyber_End_Dragon
stated it xD
you can't use light-hex if you want to fusion summon cyber twin/end dragon, because the text said so ;).

You can't tribute light hex and 3 cydras to get cyber end, you have to tribute light hex and 2 cydras.
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To use the second effect of this monster, you must Tribute this monster plus the legal Fusion Material Monster(s) written on the Fusion Monster. For example, to Special Summon "St. Joan" you must Tribute "The Light - Hex-Sealed Fusion" as well as either "The Forgiving Maiden" or "Marie the Fallen One".[1]
and it said monster(s) if you ever try to summon cyber end just with 1 cydra.

what make you think that Gaia Drake's effect will be negated just because it's special summoned by Earth Hex? o.o
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PostSubject: Re: Fusion substitute monsters and 1 specific question.   Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:57 pm

Like when Stardust is Special Summoned by Starlight Road - not Synchro Summoned properly, not being able to ss him from the grave, same category, that's what I thought.

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You cannot use substitute Fusion Material Monsters such as "Beastking of the Swamps" to Fusion Summon this card.

This is the first line in Fiend Skull Dragon's rullings. But wait, his effects mentions he can't be Fusion Summoned with different Fusion Materials, not Special Summoned! Hexes Special Summon! I think I'm going dizzy o_O
Cyber Twin dragon and Cyber End Dragon state the same, so you should be able to use the Hex with the Cydras to Special Summon (NOT Fusion Summon) the monsters!
(Hear that Ace? :D)
I just feel like I discovered an island or something xD
For example, Ranbow Neos states
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This card cannot be Special Summoned, except by Fusion Summon with the above Fusion Material Monsters.
so, no Hexes for him.

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PostSubject: Re: Fusion substitute monsters and 1 specific question.   Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:38 am

Yes, I think you are right. And I am happy for it!!!!! Light Hexes here I come!
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